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	<title>Comments on: Adventures in Citizenship&#8230;</title>
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		<title>By: will spotts</title>
		<link>http://kairosblog.com/blog/2006/10/24/adventures-in-citizenship/comment-page-1/#comment-181</link>
		<dc:creator>will spotts</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Oct 2006 10:55:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To me hanging chads would be preferrable.

One of the few things that can hold our country together in spite of sometimes sharp divisions is the *perception* that the process is fair.  Without any paper trail at all that perception goes out the window.  [Obviously the reality of a fair process is more important in principal -- but the perception or fairness is a huge factor in convincing people that there is remedy for their concerns/complaints in the political process.]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To me hanging chads would be preferrable.</p>
<p>One of the few things that can hold our country together in spite of sometimes sharp divisions is the *perception* that the process is fair.  Without any paper trail at all that perception goes out the window.  [Obviously the reality of a fair process is more important in principal -- but the perception or fairness is a huge factor in convincing people that there is remedy for their concerns/complaints in the political process.]</p>
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		<title>By: kairos</title>
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		<dc:creator>kairos</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Oct 2006 21:46:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks, Will. Good to see you round here again.

I&#039;m trying to think of a rational reason why one might not want a trail. Cost? It can&#039;t be THAT much more cost effective. Securing the paper? Perhaps, but I&#039;ve seen models of relatively secure systems. So I just don&#039;t get it.

A concern: what if a programmer--republican or democrat--wanted to rig one or another of those machines, how could anyone know? I don&#039;t know; I trust there are safeguards in place, but I wouldn&#039;t a paper trail be so much better? And as you say, in a close call, it would be so helpful.

In any of these elections, the aim should be a full and accurate count of the actual votes cast. Technology can make that easier, but it shouldn&#039;t make it seem less secure than other methods. I&#039;m debating with myself, but maybe hanging chads would be preferable?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks, Will. Good to see you round here again.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m trying to think of a rational reason why one might not want a trail. Cost? It can&#8217;t be THAT much more cost effective. Securing the paper? Perhaps, but I&#8217;ve seen models of relatively secure systems. So I just don&#8217;t get it.</p>
<p>A concern: what if a programmer&#8211;republican or democrat&#8211;wanted to rig one or another of those machines, how could anyone know? I don&#8217;t know; I trust there are safeguards in place, but I wouldn&#8217;t a paper trail be so much better? And as you say, in a close call, it would be so helpful.</p>
<p>In any of these elections, the aim should be a full and accurate count of the actual votes cast. Technology can make that easier, but it shouldn&#8217;t make it seem less secure than other methods. I&#8217;m debating with myself, but maybe hanging chads would be preferable?</p>
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		<title>By: will spotts</title>
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		<dc:creator>will spotts</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Oct 2006 19:14:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We have Diebold machines as well.  I can&#039;t figure out why -- if the election is close I look for this to be a nightmare.  I can&#039;t fathom the thinking that eliminating a paper trail would improve confidence in an election.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We have Diebold machines as well.  I can&#8217;t figure out why &#8212; if the election is close I look for this to be a nightmare.  I can&#8217;t fathom the thinking that eliminating a paper trail would improve confidence in an election.</p>
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