Comments on: First Foley, now Haggard?… http://kairosblog.com/blog/2006/11/03/first-foley-now-haggard/ Along for the Journey...On God's Time Wed, 01 Jul 2009 17:03:56 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.0.1 By: kairos http://kairosblog.com/blog/2006/11/03/first-foley-now-haggard/comment-page-1/#comment-194 kairos Sat, 04 Nov 2006 09:40:50 +0000 http://kairosblog.wordpress.com/2006/11/03/first-foley-now-haggard/#comment-194 I think you're right, Jim, and not only that, it might send a message to "evangelical" gays and lesbians that if you are exposed, you risk losing everything, and it could turn them even further inward. *sigh* I think you’re right, Jim, and not only that, it might send a message to “evangelical” gays and lesbians that if you are exposed, you risk losing everything, and it could turn them even further inward.

*sigh*

]]> By: jim http://kairosblog.com/blog/2006/11/03/first-foley-now-haggard/comment-page-1/#comment-193 jim Sat, 04 Nov 2006 08:50:02 +0000 http://kairosblog.wordpress.com/2006/11/03/first-foley-now-haggard/#comment-193 Unfortunately, this is likely to have the opposite effect - closing up ranks rather than reflection on an evangelical culture that so readily produces such hypocrisy. The statements will be made to the effect: "a man of God who has walked away from His ways;" "sin is sin, he gets what he deserves." "This is a result of Ted's compromises on other issues (environment, etc.) and his failure to hold to God's Word ." Unfortunately, I see little wiggle room here for these folks to turn to real reflection about these things. I hope I'm wrong. Unfortunately, this is likely to have the opposite effect – closing up ranks rather than reflection on an evangelical culture that so readily produces such hypocrisy.

The statements will be made to the effect: “a man of God who has walked away from His ways;” “sin is sin, he gets what he deserves.” “This is a result of Ted’s compromises on other issues (environment, etc.) and his failure to hold to God’s Word .”

Unfortunately, I see little wiggle room here for these folks to turn to real reflection about these things. I hope I’m wrong.

]]> By: kairos http://kairosblog.com/blog/2006/11/03/first-foley-now-haggard/comment-page-1/#comment-192 kairos Sat, 04 Nov 2006 01:44:20 +0000 http://kairosblog.wordpress.com/2006/11/03/first-foley-now-haggard/#comment-192 I'm humbled, Brett, by your words. Thanks. I find no joy in this personal failure, and I worry about his wife and family, and for his own spirit. But I do think it opens up a reality that many of us on the left have been talking about with regard to just how wrong it is to systematically suppress people's sexuality. Haggard was part of that suppression, which heightens his pain and the irony. For a bit more: the Public Theologian has an interesting comment up at the <a href="http://blog01.kintera.com/christianalliance/archives/2006/11/the_fall_of_ted.html" rel="nofollow">Christian Alliance for Progress</a>. And I'd also commend Michael Kruse's pointing to Ben Witherington's comments on <a href="http://krusekronicle.typepad.com/kruse_kronicle/2006/11/looking_haggard.html" rel="nofollow">Kruse Kronicle</a> for more analysis. I’m humbled, Brett, by your words. Thanks.
I find no joy in this personal failure, and I worry about his wife and family, and for his own spirit. But I do think it opens up a reality that many of us on the left have been talking about with regard to just how wrong it is to systematically suppress people’s sexuality. Haggard was part of that suppression, which heightens his pain and the irony.

For a bit more: the Public Theologian has an interesting comment up at the Christian Alliance for Progress. And I’d also commend Michael Kruse’s pointing to Ben Witherington’s comments on Kruse Kronicle for more analysis.

]]> By: Brett http://kairosblog.com/blog/2006/11/03/first-foley-now-haggard/comment-page-1/#comment-191 Brett Fri, 03 Nov 2006 17:27:53 +0000 http://kairosblog.wordpress.com/2006/11/03/first-foley-now-haggard/#comment-191 Kairos, you are a good pastor and Christian. You are absolutely right to point out that Haggard, et al. need our prayers and support in ending this lunatic denial of homosexuality. But I have to admit (as the bad pastor and Christian that I am!) that I'm not sure I'm ready to keep revelling in the glee I feel that these bigots are getting their due. Kairos, you are a good pastor and Christian. You are absolutely right to point out that Haggard, et al. need our prayers and support in ending this lunatic denial of homosexuality.
But I have to admit (as the bad pastor and Christian that I am!) that I’m not sure I’m ready to keep revelling in the glee I feel that these bigots are getting their due.

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