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		<title>Sure looks like eugenics to me&#8230;</title>
		<link>http://kairosblog.com/blog/2007/03/15/sure-looks-like-eugenics-to-me/</link>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Mar 2007 09:03:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The debate, I think, will be over whether sexual orientation is more like skin color or more like Parkinson&#8217;s disease. We are coming to understand more and more each year that sexual orientation&#8211;all of it, yours, mine, whether it be towards a member of the opposite or same sex&#8211;has some genetic foundation. The question then [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p></p><p>The debate, I think, will be over whether sexual orientation is more like <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Skin_color">skin color</a> or more like <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parkinson's_disease">Parkinson&#8217;s disease</a>. We are coming to understand more and more each year that sexual orientation&#8211;all of it, yours, mine, whether it be towards a member of the opposite or same sex&#8211;has some genetic foundation. The question then is what to do about it. For years, religious groups that argued against same sex practice said it was fundamentally a choice; now many of them are recognizing that in fact orientation (and the drives that stem from it) are more deeply rooted than that.</p>
<p>This simple fact, of course, must impact biblical interpretation, and should in theory change the way we argue over the matter. (I&#8217;ll point you, once again, to Kim Frabricius&#8217; exposition entitled <a href="http://faith-theology.blogspot.com/2007/01/twelve-propositions-on-same-sex.html" target="_blank">Twelve Propositions on Same-Sex Relationships and the Church</a>)</p>
<p>But for those of us who argue for more inclusive positions for our gay and lesbian brothers and sisters, we can&#8217;t assume that because we had that matter right we&#8217;ll win the day. Some are going to argue that we ought to use various therapies to remove homosexuality from the human condition. In fact, some are even beginning to make that argument today. <a href="http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/politics/chi-0703150130mar15,1,7767583.story?coll=chi-news-hed">Here</a> is Roman Catholic priest Rev. Joseph Fessio, <span> editor of Ignatius Press, Pope Benedict XVI&#8217;s U.S. publisher</span>:</p>
<blockquote><p><em><span> &#8220;Same-sex activity is considered disordered,&#8221; Fessio said. &#8220;If there are ways of detecting diseases or disorders of children in the womb, and a way of treating them that respected the dignity of the child and mother, it would be a wonderful advancement of science.&#8221; (from an AP Article linked at chicagotribune.com, free registration required)<br />
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<p>Fessio is commenting on a recent article by Dr. Albert Mohler, the president of the Southern Baptist Theological Seminary, who raised these sorts of questions on his blog (entitled <a href="http://www.albertmohler.com/blog_read.php?id=891">Is Your Baby Gay? What If You Could Know? What If You Could Do Something About It?</a>).</p>
<p>Mohler is clear that he himself is dead set against abortion or gene therapy to reverse orientation (of course, he thinks liberals wouldn&#8217;t be so against it), but would consider perinatal hormone treatment if it would do the trick. Here are his ten points to end his essay:</p>
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<blockquote><p><em>Christians who are committed to think in genuinely Christian terms should think carefully about these points:</em></p></blockquote>
<blockquote><p><em>1. There is, as of now, no incontrovertible or widely accepted proof that any biological basis for sexual orientation exists.</em></p>
<p><em>2. Nevertheless, the direction of the research points in this direction. Research into the sexual orientation of sheep and other animals, as well as human studies, points to some level of biological causation for sexual orientation in at least some individuals.</em></p>
<p><em>3. Given the consequences of the Fall and the effects of human sin, we should not be surprised that such a causation or link is found. After all, the human genetic structure, along with every other aspect of creation, shows the pernicious effects of the Fall and of God&#8217;s judgment.</em></p>
<p><em>4. The biblical condemnation of all homosexual behaviors would not be compromised or mitigated in the least by such a discovery. The discovery of a biological factor would not change the Bible&#8217;s moral verdict on homosexual behavior.</em></p>
<p><em>5. The discovery of a biological basis for homosexuality would be of great pastoral significance, allowing for a greater understanding of why certain persons struggle with these particular sexual temptations.</em></p>
<p><em>6. The biblical basis for establishing the dignity of all persons &#8212; the fact that all humans are made in God&#8217;s image &#8212; reminds us that this means <em>all </em>persons, including those who may be marked by a predisposition toward homosexuality. <strong>For the sake of clarity, we must insist at all times that all persons &#8212; whether identified as heterosexual, homosexual, lesbian, transsexual, transgendered, bisexual, or whatever &#8212; are equally made in the image of God.</strong></em></p>
<p><em>7. Thus, we will gladly contend for the right to life of all persons, born and unborn, whatever their sexual orientation. We must fight against the idea of aborting fetuses or human embryos identified as homosexual in orientation.</em></p>
<p><strong><em>8. If a biological basis is found, and if a prenatal test is then developed, and if a successful treatment to reverse the sexual orientation to heterosexual is ever developed, we would support its use as we should unapologetically support the use of any appropriate means to avoid sexual temptation and the inevitable effects of sin.</em></strong></p>
<p><em>9. We must stop confusing the issues of moral responsibility and moral choice. We are all <em>responsible</em> for our sexual orientation, but that does not mean that we freely and consciously <em>choose</em> that orientation. <strong>We sin against homosexuals by insisting that sexual temptation and attraction are predominately chosen. We do not always (or even generally) choose our temptations. Nevertheless, we are absolutely responsible for what we <em>do</em> with sinful temptations, whatever our so-called sexual orientation.</strong></em></p>
<p><em>10. Christians must be very careful not to claim that science can never prove a biological basis for sexual orientation. We can and must insist that no scientific finding can change the basic sinfulness of all homosexual behavior. The general trend of the research points to at least some biological factors behind sexual attraction, gender identity, and sexual orientation. <strong>This does not alter God&#8217;s moral verdict on homosexual sin (or heterosexual sin, for that matter), but it does hold some promise that a deeper knowledge of homosexuality and its cause will allow for more effective ministries to those who struggle with this particular pattern of temptation. If such knowledge should ever be discovered, we should embrace it and use it for the greater good of humanity and for the greater glory of God.</strong></em></p></blockquote>
<p>One fundamental appreciation and two fundamental objections. He&#8217;s right about remarking that all human beings are made in the <em>imago dei</em> and must be treated as such. That&#8217;s helpful. And he&#8217;s right that our ethical landscape is about to be challenged with the new gene detection and treatment options on the horizon. We need more work done in this area.</p>
<p>But the rest of the argument isn&#8217;t consistent with that. Are we going to treat all of our orientation more like skin color or like a disease? Is our sexuality deeply something about who we are? The problem with this argument is that it isn&#8217;t consistent: if orientation has biological roots, the moral options for appropriate exercise of practices related to that orientation must be fairly offered. You can&#8217;t say that there is a morally appropriate route for fulfilling your God-given sexuality if you are straight, but not if you aren&#8217;t. The moral rules must apply equally; the must be able to be universalized. But Mohler falls into the argument that we mustn&#8217;t do that. And he does so because he falls back on an assumption of biblical condemnation of homosexual practice that is actually debatable. (Again, see above Kim Fabricius). Far better would be an extension of the biblical sexual mores towards homosexual partners, blessing unions and promoting monogamy among faithful couples and their growth into productive, mutually caring families. This would be to universalize the biblical teaching on human sexuality in a way that recognizes that the biblical authors didn&#8217;t write about same-sex relationships as we know them, but condemn what we all (should) condemn: gang-rape, pederasty, etc&#8230;</p>
<p>Second, this idea of treating away an innate human condition like sexuality is repulsive. This was experimented with in human history before with disastrous effects. I recognize that Mohler is against gene therapy and abortion for this matter, but how long until the next guy pushes this line <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eugenics">further toward the abyss</a>?</p>
<p>For what its worth, if I have a gay or lesbian child, I&#8217;m going to love him or her and encourage him or her to have a full, meaningful, grace-filled life, including one hopes a lifetime of happiness with a loving partner.</p>
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		<title>A pointer of sorts&#8230;</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Feb 2007 11:37:39 +0000</pubDate>
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p></p><p>Much to my dismay, my reservoir of blog posts-to-read has overflowed. To be honest, I have a pile in my office of really good posts-to-read from before the turning of the new year. I&#8217;m not sure I&#8217;ll get to them; they may be either pitched or filed away. We&#8217;ll see.</p>
<p>But today I read a very good entry I wanted to commend and pass along: this truly wonderful exposition by Kim Frabricius entitled <a href="http://faith-theology.blogspot.com/2007/01/twelve-propositions-on-same-sex.html">Twelve Propositions on Same-Sex Relationships and the Church</a> from back in January. Here are her first three propositions:</p>
<blockquote><p><em><span style="font-weight:bold;">1.</span> Let it be said at once that the question of same-sex relationships and the church is a question of truth before it is a question of morality or discipline. Is the church’s interpretation of scripture true? Is the church’s traditional teaching true? If they are not, then they have to go, otherwise the faith of the church becomes </em>bad<em> faith. As Milton said, “Custom without truth is but agedness of error.” One other thing in anticipation: Jesus said that the truth will make us free (John 8:32); Flannery O’Connor added that “the truth will make you odd.” But before we say anything more, we must know what we are saying it about. In most discussions on the issue of human sexuality we talk at each rather than with each other; in fact, we talk past each other.</em></p>
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<p><span style="font-weight:bold;"><em>2.</em></span><em> I take it that homosexuality – and certainly the homosexuality I am talking about – is a given, not a chosen (a “life-style choice”); a disposition recognised, not adopted; a condition as “normal” as left-handedness – or heterosexuality (whether by nature or nurture is a moot but morally irrelevant point). I also assume an understanding of human sexuality that is not over-genitalised, where friendship, intimacy, and joy are as important as libido, and where sexual acts themselves are symbolic as well as somatic. Needless to say, the “Yuk” factor deployed in some polemics has no place in rational discussion, while the language of “disease” and “cure” is ignorant and repugnant. Fundamentally, homosexuality is about who you are, not what you do, let alone what you get up to in bed. This is a descriptive point. There is also a normative point: I am talking about relationships that are responsible, loving, and faithful, not promiscuous, exploitative, or episodic.</em></p>
<p><span style="font-weight:bold;"><em>3.</em></span><em> What about the Bible? This is the Protestant question. “The Bible says,” however, is a hopelessly inadequate and irresponsible answer. Nevertheless, we must certainly examine specific texts – and then (I submit) accept that they are universally condemnatory of homosexual practice. Arguments from silence – “Look at the relationship between David and Jonathan,” or, “Observe that Jesus did not condemn the centurion’s relationship with his servant” – are a sign of exegetical desperation. No, the Bible’s blanket </em>Nein<em> must simply be acknowledged. But </em><em>Nein to </em><em>what? For here is a fundamental hermeneutical axiom: “If Biblical texts on any social or moral topic are to be understood as God’s word for us today, two conditions at least must be satisfied. There must be a resemblance between the ancient and modern social situation or institution or practice or attitude sufficient for us to be able to say<br />
that in some sense the text is talking about the same thing that we recognise today. And we must be able to demonstrate an underlying principle at work in the text which is consonant with biblical faith taken as a whole, and not contradicted by any subsequent experience or understanding” (Walter Houston).</em></p></blockquote>
<p>I&#8217;d demur a bit about this last point, because the next several go on to show how, for most of the scant references cited, the Biblical material isn&#8217;t in fact saying a <em>Nein</em> to &#8220;homosexual practice&#8221; for various reasons. Kim&#8217;s point is that there are <em>Nein</em>s being said, but to different things, really.</p>
<p>Nevertheless, this is a great read. Check it out. <strong><span style="color: #009933;">[...Ed Note: If you've got time, check out the comments too...]</span></strong></p>
<p>Also, tangentially, I just worked through the <a href="http://www.newwineconvo.com/documents/Strategy_Team_Report.pdf">Strategy Report</a> adopted by the <a href="http://www.newwineconvo.com/">New Wineskins Association of Churches</a>. I&#8217;ve got some comments that I might put into an upcoming post. I am trying to distance myself from the initial reaction to having my position repeatedly called unfaithful to the bible and then reading the authors of the report decry the arrogance of their interlocutors.  How does one react to that? How does one attempt to maintain a charitable and grace-offering relationship with fellow clergy and elders who willingly distort the theological convictions and views of others? Anyway, I&#8217;d encourage everyone to read that strategy report, remembering that it is also a rhetorical document.</p>
<p>I have a place in my heart for pastors and churches who are torn by their conscience to remain in our connectional body. There is likely a way to process their schism as faithfully as possible on both sides. (And yes, it is a schism). My greatest concern is with pastoral pensions and medical care&#8230;</p>
<p>On the other hand, I&#8217;m deeply wounded and ashamed by the tact many of them are taking in their argumentation; they ought be more honest with the true differences on both sides and what that means for the church. And I think that the language used here is simply inaccurate:</p>
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<li>such as with the case of the word &#8216;coersion&#8217; that comes up with regard to our property trust clause in our Consitution which both defines our connectional system (we&#8217;re not congregationalist, nor truly hierarchical) and which defies the history of churches that voluntarily assented to the current constitution and its trust clause when we merged as a denomination in 1983;</li>
<li>so too the purported arguments about the <a href="http://www.pcusa.org/peaceunitypurity/finalreport.htm">PUP</a> as &#8220;changing&#8221; what is in fact a reaffirmation of historical Presbyterian practice (local examination with higher-governing oversight, acknowledging that the scruple issue muddies the waters);</li>
<li>so too the language that the <a href="http://www.pcusa.org/theologyandworship/issues/trinityfinal.pdf">Trinity Report</a> is &#8220;unscriptural&#8221; when it is in fact rooted in biblical hermeneutics and full of biblical citation, an exercise (not universally successful) of lifting up the biblical resources for thinking about the trinity while upholding the classical trinitarian formula &#8220;Father, Son and Holy Spirit.&#8221;</li>
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<p>And there are others; those are just the ones heavy on my mind.</p>
<p>Why mention all this here? Well, this group, among others, argues that there is &#8220;clear teaching of scripture&#8221; on the homosexuality issue, among other things. This has been the recent trope, since most of them adopt <a href="http://www.robgagnon.net/">Robert Gagnon</a>&#8216;s argument that this is in fact clear cut. But Fabricus is more on point.</p>
<p>That&#8217;s enough for the day. May all who read this have a grace-filled Lenten season&#8230;</p>
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		<title>Real Live Preacher on How to Read the Bible #8&#8230;</title>
		<link>http://kairosblog.com/blog/2007/02/07/real-live-preacher-on-how-to-read-the-bible-8/</link>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Feb 2007 06:59:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Here is Real Live Preacher&#8216;s latest (and penultimate?) installment in his video series &#8220;how to read the bible.&#8221; Ignore the airplane noise, and enjoy:]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p></p><p>Here is <a href="http://www.reallivepreacher.com">Real Live Preacher</a>&#8216;s latest (and penultimate?) <a href="http://www.reallivepreacher.com/rlparchive/node/868">installment</a> in his video series &#8220;how to read the bible.&#8221; Ignore the airplane noise, and enjoy:</p>
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		<title>Real Live Preacher&#8217;s Bible Reading series #5 and #6 and #7 too&#8230;</title>
		<link>http://kairosblog.com/blog/2007/01/13/real-live-preachers-bible-reading-series-5-and-6-and-7-too/</link>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Jan 2007 15:21:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I think the numbers got mixed up, or Real Live Preacher posted them out of order on his webpage, but I think these are right. Somehow I got confused. The fireplace is a nice touch for number seven (and its longer, too!), and he talks demonology in number 6. For those following the series, here [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p></p><p>I think the numbers got mixed up, or <a href="http://www.reallivepreacher.com">Real Live Preacher</a> posted them out of order on his webpage, but I think these are right. Somehow I got confused. The fireplace is a nice touch for number seven (and its longer, too!), and he talks demonology in number 6. For those following the series, here are the next three:</p>
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<p>and<br />
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<p>and</p>
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<p>Enjoy.</p>
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		<title>RLP on how to read the bible #4&#8230;</title>
		<link>http://kairosblog.com/blog/2006/12/28/rlp-on-how-to-read-the-bible-4/</link>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Dec 2006 09:07:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Real Live Preacher&#8216;s fourth installment of How to Read the Bible. &#8220;Don&#8217;t read the bible cold&#8230;&#8221;he says. Watch for yourself:]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p></p><p><a href="http://www.reallivepreacher.com/">Real Live Preacher</a>&#8216;s <a href="http://www.reallivepreacher.com/node/857">fourth installment</a> of How to Read the Bible. &#8220;Don&#8217;t read the bible cold&#8230;&#8221;he says. Watch for yourself:</p>
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		<title>Would it be Christmas in America without a &#8220;war&#8221; on something&#8230;?</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Dec 2006 08:49:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I was glad to see the rhetoric about an ostensible &#8220;war&#8221; on Christmas virtually gone this holiday cycle. Replacing it, however, seems to be an ostensible &#8220;war&#8221; on those who believe in the divinity of the Torah. Dennis Prager (my emphasis): If you want to predict on which side an American will line up in [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p></p><p>I was glad to see the rhetoric about an ostensible &#8220;war&#8221; on Christmas virtually gone this holiday cycle. Replacing it, however, seems to be an ostensible &#8220;war&#8221; on those who believe in the <span style="text-decoration: underline;"><em>divinity</em></span> of the Torah. <a href="http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=18653">Dennis Prager</a> (my emphasis):</p>
<blockquote><p><em>If you want to predict on which side an American will line up in the <strong>Culture War</strong> wracking America, virtually all you have to do is get an answer to this question: <strong>Does the person believe in the divinity</strong> and authority <strong>of the Five Books of Moses</strong>, the first five books of the Bible, known as the Torah? (&#8220;Divinity&#8221; does not necessarily mean &#8220;literalism.&#8221;)</em></p>
<p><em>I do not ask this about &#8220;the Bible&#8221; as a whole because the one book that is regarded as having divine authority by believing Jews, Catholics, Protestants and Mormons, among others, is not the entire Bible, but the Torah. Religious Jews do not believe in the New Testament and generally confine divine revelation even within the Old Testament to the Torah and to verses where God is cited by the prophets, for example. But &#8220;Bible-believing&#8221; Christians and Jews do believe in the divinity of the Torah.</em></p>
<p><em><strong>And they line up together on virtually every major social/moral issue</strong>.</em><br />
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<em>Very often the dividing line in America is portrayed as between those who believe in God and those who don&#8217;t. But the vast majority of Americans believe in God, and belief in God alone rarely affects people&#8217;s values. Many liberals believe in God; many conservatives do. <strong>What matters is not whether people believe in God but what text, if any, they believe to be divine</strong>. Those who believe that He has spoken through a given text will generally think differently from those who believe that no text is divine. Such people will usually get their<br />
values from other texts, or more likely from their conscience and heart.</em></p>
<p><em>That a belief or lack of belief in the divinity of a book dating back over 2,500 years is at the center of the Culture War in America and between religious America and secular Europe is almost unbelievable. But it not only explains these divisions; it also explains the hatred that much of the Left has for Jewish, Protestant, Catholic and Mormon Bible-believers.</em></p>
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This divide explains why the wrath of the Left has fallen on those of us who lament the exclusion of the Bible at a ceremonial swearing-in of an American congressman. The Left wants to see that book dethroned. And that, in a nutshell, is what the present civil war is about.</em></p></blockquote>
<p>What&#8217;s this all about? Muslim congressman-elect Keith Ellison&#8217;s plans to re-take his oath of office with a hand on the Quran. (Yes, all congress members are sworn in through a general oath, not related to any hand on any holy book; <a href="http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=6660531">many congress members choose to have additional ceremonies</a> with their hands on the bible, or the TaNak, or the Book of Mormon, or the like&#8230; <a href="http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=6660531">Check out that very good NPR report</a>&#8230;) Prager and some others (like congressman Virgil Goode) <a href="http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/national/1153AP_Ellison_Quran.html">are apoplectic about this</a>&#8230;a good example of Christian Fusspots.</p>
<p>And what exactly is the <em>divinity </em>of the Torah, specifically, or scripture generally, in Christian thought? Scripture may be considered &#8220;<a href="http://bible.oremus.org/?ql=34229880">god-breathed,</a>&#8221; or divinely-inspired, by most Christians. But divine? No. Thinking God speaks through a text (a medium) is not the same thing as regarding that medium, that revelation, as itself divine. Thinking that a text points uniquely, authoritatively, to the experience of human beings with a loving, covenantal God throughout human history is not the same thing as to deify <em>the account of</em> that experience. We worship Christ the Word made Flesh as one person of the trinity, of the one triune God. We don&#8217;t worship the text. It is not <em>divine</em>. And its authority isn&#8217;t, repeat, isn&#8217;t something that just conservatives subscribe to.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t know what&#8217;s worse: calling the bible itself divine or saying that only my way of reading  it is the only way to believe in its &#8220;authority.&#8221; Both smack of idolatry and hubris to me.</p>
<p>This is not even to get into the crap Prager deals about liberals and conservatives in that piece (and note earlier posts on this board about <a href="http://www.kairosblog.com/kairos_blog/2006/11/conservative_je.html">conservative Judaism ordaining gays and lesbians</a>, for example; so much for that theory that &#8220;bible-believing&#8221; folk line up on every major social issue&#8230;)&#8230;.</p>
<p>This is not to get into Prager&#8217;s isolation of the Torah within the Christian canon, or the elision of major interpretive, theological, and yes axiological differences we have with other &#8220;people of the book&#8221;.</p>
<p>And this is not even trying to parse out exactly what Prager means when he says his complaint about &#8220;divinity&#8221; does not &#8220;necessarily&#8221; mean something with regards to &#8220;literalism.&#8221;</p>
<p>Regardless of all this, this choosing which holy-book congress members are permitted to chose when taking their unofficial oaths business is loony. But then again, loony seems to sell, which is the sad thing to me.</p>
<p>(h/t <a href="http://www.talkingpointsmemo.com/archives/011706.php">Joshua Micah Marshall</a>)</p>
<p>&#8230; guest blogger <a href="http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/archives/individual/2006_12/010465.php">Steve Benen also has comments</a> over at <a href="http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/">The Washington Monthly</a>.</p>
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		<title>RLP on how to read the Bible #1 and #2&#8230;</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Dec 2006 10:05:21 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Kairos</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[Real Live Preacher has the first two three episodes of his &#8220;Reading the Bible&#8221; series posted. I&#8217;m not sure how interesting it will be for people who read this blog, but perhaps for some it might be edifying. There are more coming&#8230; Here&#8217;s the first: Here&#8217;s the second: &#8230;and as a treat, he posted the [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p></p><p><a href="http:///www.reallivepreacher.com">Real Live Preacher</a> has the first <span style="color: #c0c0c0;"><span style="text-decoration: line-through;">two</span> </span>three episodes of his &#8220;Reading the Bible&#8221; series posted. I&#8217;m not sure how interesting it will be for people who read this blog, but perhaps for some it might be edifying. There are more coming&#8230;</p>
<p>Here&#8217;s <a href="http://www.reallivepreacher.com/node/852">the first</a>:</p>
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<p>Here&#8217;s <a href="http://www.reallivepreacher.com/node/853">the second</a>:</p>
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<p>&#8230;and as a treat, he posted <a href="http://www.reallivepreacher.com/node/856">the third</a> tonight:</p>
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		<title>Ack!&#8230;</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Jul 2006 12:51:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Boy, does this feel like it hits home: (Bible Duel by Dave Walker at CartoonChurch.com, The Cartoon Blog, used under the conditions posted here.) Does anyone think that this is what the bible is intended to be about? I sure don&#8217;t.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p></p><p>Boy, does this feel like it hits home:</p>
<p>(<a href="http://www.cartoonchurch.com/blog/2006/07/15/bible-duel/">Bible Duel</a> by Dave Walker at <a href="http://www.cartoonchurch.com/">CartoonChurch.com</a>, <a href="http://www.cartoonchurch.com/blog/">The Cartoon Blog</a>, used under the conditions posted <a href="http://www.cartoonchurch.com/content/how-you-can-use-the-cartoons/">here</a>.)</p>
<p>Does anyone think that this is what the bible is intended to be about? I sure don&#8217;t.</p>
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