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		<title>Hope for a Renewed Moral Vision&#8230;</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Nov 2008 18:00:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Certainly, one aspect of my longing for a new administration has been my sense that we need to account for our use of torture (or &#8220;enhanced interrogation techniques&#8221;) in the Global War On Terror (GWOT). I blogged about my concerns about torture extensively, including its incompatability with Christian Ethics, its lack of utility as a [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p></p><p>Certainly, one aspect of my longing for a new administration has been my sense that we need to account for our use of torture (or &#8220;enhanced interrogation techniques&#8221;) in the Global War On Terror (GWOT). I blogged about my concerns about torture <a href="http://kairosblog.com/blog/tag/torture/" target="_blank">extensively</a>, including its incompatability with Christian Ethics, its lack of utility as a tool for either protecting the homeland or prosecuting the GWOT, and the effects it has had on our relationship with other countries. More vital than our military might is the force of our ideas, and the hypocracy and moral injustice that our use of torture requires evicerates any standing we once had to be a &#8220;beacon of light for the world.&#8221; If that is something we think our nation ought to aspire toward, then the use of torture is simply incompatable (whatever else you want to say about the fact that Christian thought cannot theologically allow it, or the utter foolishness on relying on torture-derived information in a practical sense).</p>
<p>And so I am well pleased to read <a href="http://www.mydd.com/story/2008/11/17/103528/36" target="_blank">Josh Orton</a> this morning, summarizing a portion of <a href="http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2008/11/16/60minutes/main4607893.shtml" target="_blank">Obama&#8217;s interview on 60 Mintues</a> last night pertaining to torture. Orton draws from this <a href="http://thinkprogress.org/2008/11/16/obama-moral-stature/" target="_blank">Think Progress report</a>, which cites this relevant portion of the interview:</p>
<blockquote><p>CBS: There are a number of different things you can do early on pertaining to executive orders.</p>
<p>OBAMA: Right.</p>
<p>CBS: One of them is to shut down Guantanamo Bay. Another is to change interrogation methods that are used by U.S. troops. Are those things that you plan to take early action on?</p>
<p>OBAMA: <strong>Yes. I have said repeatedly that I intend to close Guantanamo, and I will follow through on that. I have said repeatedly that America doesn’t torture, and I’m going to make sure that we don’t torture. Those are part and parcel of an effort to regain America’s moral stature in the world. </strong></p>
<p>(emphasis in original at Think Progress)</p></blockquote>
<p>And the video is also available on <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MAQ9gF40wvg" target="_blank">you tube</a>:<br />
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<p>Whatever your thoughts are on the election of Barack Obama to be our next president, I hope you can see this as a major advance, should Obama follow through with this, in America&#8217;s standing around the world. And even if it didn&#8217;t lead to that, it would be the right thing to do. Reconciliation can come, but it must follow a formal end to a policy that led us down that dark tunnel in the first place.</p>
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		<title>On Obama and Warren and the so-called right-wing megachurch&#8230;</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Dec 2006 12:18:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#8217;d commend E. J. Dionne Jr.&#8217;s piece in the Washington Post today. An excerpt: American politics took an important turn last week at a church in the foothills of Southern California&#8217;s Santa Ana Mountains. When Rick Warren, one of the nation&#8217;s most popular evangelical pastors, faced down right-wing pressure and invited Sen. Barack Obama to [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p></p><p>I&#8217;d commend E. J. Dionne Jr.&#8217;s piece <a href="http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/12/04/AR2006120401048.html">in the Washington Post today</a>. An excerpt:</p>
<blockquote><p><em>American politics took an important turn last week at a church in the foothills of Southern California&#8217;s Santa Ana Mountains.</em></p>
<p><em>When Rick Warren, one of the nation&#8217;s most popular evangelical pastors, faced down right-wing pressure and invited Sen. Barack Obama to speak at a gathering at his Saddleback Valley Community Church about the AIDS crisis, he sent a signal: A significant group of theologically conservative Christians no longer wants to be treated as a cog in the Republican political machine.</em></p>
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<p><em>And thus it came to pass that when Warren called a conference at his church last Friday on World AIDS Day, among those he invited were two potential presidential candidates. It was unsurprising that one of them was Sen. Sam Brownback, the Kansas Republican and a loyal social conservative who has taken up the AIDS issue with passion and commitment.</em></p>
<p><em>But when the other invitee turned out to be Obama, parts of the old evangelical political apparatus went after Warren as a heretic. Rob Schenck, president of the National Clergy Council, declared that Obama&#8217;s views on abortion &#8212; Obama is pro-choice &#8212; represented &#8220;the antithesis of biblical ethics and morality&#8221; and insisted that Warren had no business inviting him to Saddleback.</em></p>
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<p><em>Warren&#8217;s church issued a statement reaffirming its strong opposition to abortion, but Warren did not back down. Indeed, he seemed to revel in rejecting the old evangelical political model. &#8220;I&#8217;m a pastor, not a politician,&#8221; Warren told ABC News. &#8220;People always say, &#8216;Rick, are you right wing or left wing?&#8217; I say &#8216;I&#8217;m for the whole bird.&#8217; &#8220;</em></p>
<p><em>When it came his turn to speak, Obama took on the moral message of evangelical AIDS activists &#8212; and then challenged them.</em></p>
<p><em>&#8220;Let me say this and let me say this loud and clear: I don&#8217;t think that we can deny that there is a moral and spiritual component to prevention,&#8221;he declared. &#8220;In too many places . . . the relationship between men and women, between sexuality and spirituality, has broken down and needs to be repaired.&#8221;</em></p>
<p><em>Then Obama got to what &#8220;may be the difficult part for some,&#8221; as he put it, that &#8220;abstinence and fidelity, although the ideal, may not always be the reality.&#8221;</em></p>
<p><em>&#8220;We&#8217;re dealing with flesh-and-blood men and women, and not abstractions,&#8221; Obama said, and &#8220;if condoms and potentially things like microbicides can prevent millions of deaths, then they should be made more widely available. . . . I don&#8217;t accept the notion that those who make mistakes in their lives should be given an effective death sentence.&#8221;</em></p>
<p><em>That Obama received a standing ovation suggests that Warren is right to sense that growing numbers of Christians are tired of narrowly partisan politics and share his interest in &#8220;the whole bird.&#8221; In their different spheres, Warren and Obama are both in the business of retailing hope.</em></p></blockquote>
<p>Great ending paragraph, too:</p>
<blockquote><p><em>One more thing: If you read Obama&#8217;s <a href="http://obama.senate.gov/speech/061201-race_against_time_-_world_aids_day_speech/index.html">speech</a>, you&#8217;ll realize he demonstrates a much truer Christian spirit than the GOP masterminds who have recently tried to push people away from Obama by pointing out that his middle name is Hussein.</em></p></blockquote>
<p>If you&#8217;re curious about that last reference, you can find more info, among other places, at Joshua Micah Marshall&#8217;s <a href="http://www.tpmcafe.com/blog/electioncentral/2006/nov/29/new_gop_attack_on_obama_his_name_is_hussein">TPM Cafe</a>.</p>
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